FCA and Peugeot merger going ahead now?

"Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom" (will-alib) 10/30/2019 at 15:31 • Filed to: None

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This just in...

ranwhenparked > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:38

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This doesn’t affect much in North America, except providing better economies of scale and more financial resources, but in Europe, they’d have Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat, Opel , and Vauxhall all in basically the same segment (the latter two are at least geographically segregated, but, still).

It runs the risk of making British Leyland look like a model of lean efficiency.

For Sweden > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:38

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Finally, a 508 with a Hellcat engine

nerd_racing > For Sweden 10/30/2019 at 15:40

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I’m still mad we haven’t seen a HellPanda! 

Arrivederci > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:40

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“ ...a litany of obstacles in their path.”

We’ll see.

For Sweden > ranwhenparked 10/30/2019 at 15:42

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If Jeremy Corby n wins a December election, does he restart British Leyland?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:42

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Cacti coming to America. 

NKato > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:48

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 I'm gonna say, this feels like the thing with Renault. 

ranwhenparked > Arrivederci 10/30/2019 at 15:50

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EU antitrust concerns, French, German, and Italian labor unions, the French government, Dongfeng, and, maybe, the Peugeot family.

vondon302 > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:53

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Murphy said similar to Fiat Chrysler’s potential tie-up with Renault, the “industrial logic” is “unclear unless there is massive headcount reduction.”

Merger of equals and Chrysler yikes.

Also I'm pretty sure China owns 13 percent of Peugeot.  Trump's gonna love that.

dogisbadob > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 15:57

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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 16:05

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So Maserati and Citroen under the same roof again?

Honhonhon!

MultiplaOrgasms > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 16:06

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Aside from Jeep, is there any reason for PSA to agree to a merger? 

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > For Sweden 10/30/2019 at 16:10

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Nice. The 508 looks like a French Passat to me. 

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/30/2019 at 16:13

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In all seriousness PSA could use a flagship for it’s DS brand, and Maserati’s twin  turbo V6 would be perfect for that

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer 10/30/2019 at 16:17

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It’s a Pentastar V6, but yes it would.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > MultiplaOrgasms 10/30/2019 at 16:38

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Ram?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 16:43

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I hope this means (highly doubtful), but that we could see some cool smaller European cars over here...but all they’ll probably send is the crappy crossovers :/

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/30/2019 at 16:46

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If they brought it over with a manual, it would be one of few Crossovers I would actually one...though I liked the pre-facelift one more than the post-facelift one!

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > For Sweden 10/30/2019 at 16:57

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Only if he can buy it back from the Chinese...

For Sweden > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/30/2019 at 17:00

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I think he knows some people in the CPC

nermal > MultiplaOrgasms 10/30/2019 at 17:04

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They get access to the USA, which they don’t have now. 

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/30/2019 at 17:05

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It’s possible; US mfrs never really got the small car thing down (in terms of competitiveness) but I think you’re right about the crossovers.

MultiplaOrgasms > nermal 10/30/2019 at 17:20

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PSAs cars aren’t that well suited to the american market in the first place .   Relatively compact and fairly low powered. The Crossovers c ould do well for their part but thats about it.

But then again back in the day they didn’t have access to a large and well developed dealership network like that of FCA.

Chariotoflove > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/30/2019 at 17:24

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My understanding was that it’s a Ferrari-designed engine based loosely on the Pentastar engine block and cast in the US but assembled in Italy.  So, how much Pentastar is really left in this engine?

nermal > MultiplaOrgasms 10/30/2019 at 17:27

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The US is still the 2nd largest auto market..... in the world.

The other thing is cost efficiencies. Say they can beat up their battery supplier to sell them batteries for $1 less due to volumes - Once you spread that across how many cars they make, it’s an enormous savings. 

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/30/2019 at 18:02

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And that makes me sad....I just want a small, basic, efficient nippy car. Not many cars that fit that bill anymore...

Svend > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/30/2019 at 18:53

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Why not smaller and crossover?

Svend > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 10/30/2019 at 19:19

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Like a Vauxhall/Opel Ada m or Corsa.

New Corsa

Svend > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/30/2019 at 19:24

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The Citroen Cactus isn’t quite what it used to be.

There is the Citroen C3 though.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Svend 10/30/2019 at 19:55

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Oh, I would LOVE a Panda. Not sure I would call it a crossover though...it’s sortof been around in it’s same style of shape since before Crossovers were a thing, so it’s more like just a ‘tall car’ to me, sortof.

If they sold the Panda here, especially in Panda 4x4 guise (WITH A MANUAL OPTION...), I would be ALL over one as a winter-capable DD. This is Canada, we get a lot of snow here...having a 4x4 mode available in what is a basically a tall city car would be the best of both worlds!

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Svend 10/30/2019 at 21:46

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That DS3 is hideous.

Svend > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 10/31/2019 at 01:53

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Yep, not going to argue there. The side profile is worse.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2019 at 03:18

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unreliable cars?

yes please

duurtlang > ranwhenparked 10/31/2019 at 03:30

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Fiat is all but dead in Europe, as FCA has not invested anything in Fiat in ages. The rest of the brands you mentioned are all PSA already.

Vauxhall and Opel are the same thing, Vauxhalls are nothing but RH D Opels.